Curse

max gladius · Sep 12, 2007, 12:34 AM // 00:34

when did / does he step in, as of the 6th.... Gaile still sporting the signature

Gaile Gray
Community Relations Manager
ArenaNet
The Guild Wars Site

darktyco · Sep 12, 2007, 02:04 AM // 02:04

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

I was all the way to the end and could see my staircase exit to get the hell outta there but could not get past the 2 remaining mobs cause I had a dp of -60% and was killed instantly each time I approached. I eventually made it out by using my heros as bait and me running like hell past them.

Off-topic, but this made me laugh out loud because it is the exact same thing that I did.

Hong Kong Evil · Sep 12, 2007, 02:15 AM // 02:15

/signed

i agree most of the question, this EotN has disappointed most of players,

1, art works are lazy.....reskin armor, old enemies, pets

2, too short, too easy, why we rez automatically in dungeons even inside the elite dungeon........

3, no full story line........i suddenly enter a dungeon, then a dwarf and a asura ask me to help them to fight against destroyers.....then i join a small group and defeat the destroyers.....i feel like its just a small easy hunt, i dont feel any threat from destroyers......

i help Gwen to free the ebon vanguards, but what will happen afterward? i want to know more and play more
why the dwarf and asura want to fight against destroyers? what happened before?

i just get 1/3 of the contents that i expect from EotN

i hope anet continuously add some contents to EotN, otherwise i doubt who will buy the products from anet in future.......

Hong Kong Evil · Sep 12, 2007, 03:06 AM // 03:06

/signed

Remove all res shrines in dungeons.

i am a careful player, when my team accidentally lure two teams of enemies and my teammates are killed, i run away and want to use rez skill to rez them, however they will say

" dont run, just die, we will get rez"

i feel its too...... casual.......EotN is designed for 20 lvl players, players should complete at least one campaign and they are not newbies, it should be more challenging....

Cacheelma · Sep 12, 2007, 03:16 AM // 03:16

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

Creative exhaustion. After three chapters on same shedulle, people run out of interesting ideas.

People can come up with great designs, but you gotta give them time to get ideas.

So basically we should CARE about how the designers have run out of ideas?

People buy GWEN more or less because they see "40 new armors". They are not wrong AT ALL to expect something cool out of the game.

Let me ask you this: You buy something in real life expecting to get something as stated on the box. But then when you open the box you find out that it's not quite what you expect, despite the fact that you don't expect anything beyond what the box says and your past experience with the products to begin with.

What would you say? Would you go "Oh. I understand. The company must not has enough resource/time/idea/whatever to do any better. I guess I'll have to take it as it is and buy another box when it's out"?

I HIGHLY DOUBT IT. And this isn't any different.

max gladius · Sep 12, 2007, 03:28 AM // 03:28

Evil, my guild doen same thing now, u would think... Any dungeon would = hardmode.... its hard goen from playen all hard mode, to this wonderful new Gwen, where its perfect, no hickups, no glitches, no broken skills or such...

oh wait, it is all kindsa broken....

oh ya, i think Anet joined up with Microsoft... GWEN will be ready to play sometimes next month....

HARD MODE WHAT?!???

Loviatar · Sep 12, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by Cacheelma

People buy GWEN more or less because they see "40 new armors". They are not wrong AT ALL to expect something cool out of the game.

wrong

i bought an expansion of a game for things to see and do. not armor

the armor did not factor in at all.

can you actually comprehend that concept?

if they said *no new armor at all* i would have bought it just as quickly.

and yes i have been having more than my moneys worth of fun and i am early in the game.

i did not buy GWEN as an epeen armor pack.

i bought a game you bought an armor pack

Cacheelma · Sep 12, 2007, 03:39 AM // 03:39

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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wrong

i bought an expansion of a game for things to see and do. not armor

the armor did not factor in at all.

can you actually comprehend that concept?

if they said *no new armor at all* i would have bought it just as quickly.

and yes i have been having more than my moneys worth of fun and i am early in the game.

i did not buy GWEN as an epeen armor pack.

i bought a game you bought an armor pack

....which part of "more or less" you don't understand?

You don't care about a feature. But I do. So basically my opinion is wrong because it doesn't go in-favor with the game?

Nice.

Darlichay Dalinar · Sep 12, 2007, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Yeah, this needs to be read... I'm reading over those that don't agree with everything posted here, but I'm sorry, it's not close to what you need to say. The trouble is, and it was outlined in the end, that the consumer and company line needs to be crossed. This is a game based on enjoyment, sponsorship and etc. If quality content is put into a game, people will play. That's an end topic. Sure, you can't keep everyone happy, but for lord's sake we were promised something, and this is no where NEAR what we were promised. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I'm a Guild Wars player since beta. I'm disappointed. I don't intend to get Guild Wars 2 unless ANET gets in contact with us and straightens up their act. Does it matter to them? Proabably not. I'm only $50 in their overall plan, but I'm not the only person thinking this way. ANET's in real trouble with this half-assed new content.

Reskins don't make people happy. Ingenuity keeps people happy. I hope many realize this, no matter how awesome and totally cool the old skins were; the point is they're old. NEW. ORIGINAL. These words aren't understood by many companies, and honestly I felt ANET would be different.

Also, I want many to understand this... We as the PLAYER BASE are trying to communicate to the supplier what we would like to see... Know what happened with a game that didn't listen? I've got a good answer for ya.

World of Warcraft.

Please, be different from those slime.

nimloth32 · Sep 12, 2007, 04:03 AM // 04:03

imo, i think gw started out as a pvp-oriented mmo initially. However, due to lack of interests in gw pvp despite of efforts being made by anet, anet starts to focus on pve portion in the future development of gw which is the root of the downfall of gw because now gw is neither a good pvp nor pve oriented mmos. As a result, they resorts to cancel any further continuation of gw 1 series and starts a new series of gw 2. Imho, GW:EN, instead of being a grand finale of gw1, for me, it is just a total letdown. I felt sad that what had started out well initially has ended up badly.

Cacheelma · Sep 12, 2007, 04:06 AM // 04:06

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Originally Posted by Darlichay Dalinar

Know what happened with a game that didn't listen? I've got a good answer for ya.

World of Warcraft.

Please, be different from those slime.

I think Anet might want to say this to you:

"What exactly happened to WoW, anyway? Last time we checked the thing you called "slime" has just got all the nearer to 10-million active, paying players. Are you suggesting us to STOP LISTENING to players, so we can be as popular?"

But at any rate, I suggest everyone try not to bash some other games and stay focus on GW. Trust me, it's doesn't make your beloved GW look any better; it's pathetic.

arsie · Sep 12, 2007, 04:38 AM // 04:38

Any disappointment with GW:EN will directly result in less confidence in GW2.

Lose your hardcore players, and you lose key influencers, aspiration targets, and community leaders and contributers.

By the time GW2 is out, people's LotR, Warhammer, and Conan characters will be 1-2 years old. They'll think back to the last taste of GW in their mouths, which is GW:EN.

Punjabi · Sep 12, 2007, 04:58 AM // 04:58

Well it was a good post, better than what I usually see on these forums. And I agree partially. I was thinking, oh 20sum dungeons= 20sum Underworlds/FoW COUNT ME IN. I was expecting them to be hard to where you felt good about beating it. i admit I have fun in the dungeons now but id like them harder.

At the same time I am conflicted with you, the arour is reskined? What else do you want a higher Al so the unbalnce you speak of becomes even more so? Not everyone can afford to rush out and buy gwen to get the better stats you speak of. Remember everything in every game must be balanced because of the link between them.
When I started GW I knew PvP was supposed to be the mainstay of the game and this was true. Before factions, nightfall, and gwen all we had for pve was the story line, Fow, and UW for things to do. We had no titles to work for, no green weapons to go hunt. The PvE was really limited as a game and after you finished the PvE side you either took up PvP or got bored and left.
The GW team has done a TREMENDOUS job at Implementing a new PvE aspect of the game. You say Guildwars is not catering to the PvE player because they have money in the bank they have no need to. Now that is true but they also want to release new games and have success with them as well right? You can't expect people to support you if you have no support. Anet does not hold an MMO monopoly and has a huge battle to fight to earn players into their game vs. another MMO.
I don't know what more they can do to turn an Pvp based game more into pve without doing what they are doing. I think you will see GW2 to be much more Pve based as the team knows now that a huge player base of Pve players wants to play guild wars. You can't just take the model a game was build on and change it up so darsticaly the game dosen't even fit with what it says on the box. That is why they are making GW2, if you read you will see they decided to make GW2 to make their system better for all players and to have a more versatile, longer lasting game than the origional game alows for.

So you do have valid points when it comes to Gwen, it is debateable on the difficulty of the game but you do need to remeber all of the people that are not as good as you, maybe that play the game casualy, why leave someone out because he can only play 1 hour a day and dosen't have time to get all the greatest skills, builds, weapons, and armour.
But trying to say the play system is flawed and that theuy provide no support is kind of outrageous imo. I don't know what more you could want them to do. If the game style is not what you like then maybe it is time to find a new game for a while and check back in a year or two and see if it has changed in your favor. There are a LOT more people enjoying the game than disliking it. The dev teams can see every player that comes on and off they can see when they have the most users playing and when they have a lul. The guild wars world is a closely monitored world and you can bet expansions like gwen were designed around the majority of what game researchers thought players would want. Their job is not to make you happy their job is to make money, unfortunatly for them making you happy is something that must happen to make money. Think of it as an annoyance for them not a will.

So on an end note, do i agree with most of the things you said? Hell Yes! I am just trying to show the cold hard facts of how it all really works and why it can't really be any other way right now.

Foe · Sep 12, 2007, 05:09 AM // 05:09

Punjabi=Gaile Grey?

Tijger · Sep 12, 2007, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Foe

Punjabi=Gaile Grey?

Just because someone disagrees that doesnt mean they're working for Anet. I dont work for them either and I dont agree with the TS.

Putting up a post that long and then basically stating "But HM will fix it" is exactly what Strain talked about in his GC speech, those are not the players you need to focus on as a dev.

Gattocheese · Sep 12, 2007, 08:45 AM // 08:45

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Originally Posted by Foe

Punjabi=Gaile Grey?

I'll give you a Gaile Grey quote

"Thank you everyone for your opinions on the Guild Wars Guru Forums. We have worked hard to give you our final product of GWEN. The Devs here are proud of what we have accomplished and so should everyone of you. The reskinning of armors, weapons, and monsters actually make sense for GWEN and fit in with the lore of the land. We do not plan on making any new weapons or armors for GWEN, these are final products. The ressurection shrines in dungeons are there so that all players of all classes may enjoy what GWEN has to offer. HM will be released soon, as of now we do not want to release HM as of yet so that everyone can play the game as it is intended to be. There has been several similar threads for every campaign about concerns for Guild Wars. For most of you, you should actually take the time to explore and get to know GWEN. Then everyone would see the time and effort we put in this expansion for the community."

I am just bored lol. The sentence saying that "the reskins make sense because it fits in with the lore of the land" is an actual statement made by Gaile in her Gaile Talk Forum, what a lame statement. But for the majority, the OP is right and i never have ranted before on the forums until GWEN came out. I care what the future products might hold if i enjoyed the other campaigns and was upset at this new expansion.

Belonah15 · Sep 12, 2007, 09:17 AM // 09:17

I am happy with the difficulty of the EotN dungeons and missions. I am an average player, I play the game for fun. I have no wish to be a 1337 player, or to prove anything. For that kind of thing I have a Real Life and a Real Job. I do not want to study every build, character type, know the skills and stats of every monster, just so I can beat the hardest possible missions. Let me say this again: I play for fun, for relaxation and distraction, after a long stressful day at work. All in all I found EotN to be well desiged and laid out from a average base line.

However I do agree with the reskinning issue, I would have expected some new content to grind for, not some old stuff I already got in a different color. I grinded for some Dwarven armor, then realised its not even Ascended armor - that was a waste of a few hours of rare playtime.

I would have expected the same commitment and product delivery we had with the Factions and Nightfall campains, for this EoN expansion. We paid the same price anyway. For that GW:EN = Fail.

Targren · Sep 12, 2007, 09:19 AM // 09:19

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Originally Posted by Belonah15

I would have expected the same commitment and product delivery we had with the Factions and Nightfall campains, for this EoN expansion. We paid the same price anyway. For that GW:EN = Fail.

Hell, any of the three campaigns can be had for LESS than the cost of GW:EN now.

Tijger · Sep 12, 2007, 10:56 AM // 10:56

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Originally Posted by Belonah15

I would have expected the same commitment and product delivery we had with the Factions and Nightfall campains, for this EoN expansion. We paid the same price anyway. For that GW:EN = Fail.

You didnt pay the same price so guess what? You = Fail.

EPO Bot · Sep 12, 2007, 11:13 AM // 11:13

I think Anet should introduce that hair stylist just to shut the whining up.

But you can bet some guys would even complain about that.